Lorde released her sophomore album Melodrama on Friday four years after her debut, Pure Heroine. 

The 20 year old singer was on a podcast, The Spinoff, in her home country of New Zealand breaking down each track on her new album.

When talking about her song “The Louvre,” Lorde explained Frank Ocean’s Blonde was an inspiration when it came to creating the sound for that song. “In this sort of post-Blonde landscape, we can all sort of do whatever we want in terms of instrumentation,” she said. “We could’ve just made it a big, easy single because the bonds are there. But it won’t mean as much to simplify the journey, or to force a big chorus. I just want it to feel like how that [new love] feels…the big, sun-soaked dumbness of falling in love.”

Blonde was a brilliant showcase of Ocean’s songwriting skills, it also showed how the correct instrumentation can really help take you on a journey throughout an album. This way of writing is used on “The Lourve”, which takes you through the ups and downs of falling in love. “It’s just like this big dumb joy and it’s intense—and I feel like the instrumentation in that song kind of helped it get there,” Lorde says.

She has also revealed that she has thought about the sound of her next album. “I think I know what the next record is going to sound like, but of course I have no idea,” she said. “It’s gonna be really different to what I think it is right now.”

Follow the link to listen to the podcast segment below.